Beatrice / Yasu : Why the Tragedy Occurs

According to EP7 Yasu has an already determined plan because of an already determined fate. The tragedy is attributed to Battler.. Battler not going away but rather to Battler coming back to the Rokkenjima – reason why the tragedy occurs. They mention the way I understood it IIRC that that the tragedy only happened because Battler came back on that day. Should he never came back a ‘strange’ event would’ve happened but it’d pale in comparison to the Rokkenjima tragedy.

We assume that Battler is the missing piece that makes Yasu (Shannon likely) go in a rampage and kill everyone. Beatrice’s goal was to make Battler remember his sin whose sin was..not remembering / breaking his promise (because he forgot), which leads us to Shannon. EP7 is about how Shannon created another personality where another personality is created.

End of the Golden Witch.
# This child has nothing to gain from having someone solve the epitaph. # The gold of the Golden Land belongs to this child. She had absolutely no need to make you find it for her or to snatch it away herself. # Whether the epitaph’s riddle is solved or not, this child stands nothing to gain at all. # Regardless of whether the epitaph is solved or not, Beato has nothing to gain. # Her goal is not to make someone experience fear.  # And it isn’t to have revenge on someone either. # Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure.

The puzzling part is that Yasu’s plan is executed when the following conditions are met:

The riddle isn’t solved; therefore Yasu must kill 13 people then blow up all evidence.

———> Why? Yasu doesn’t need the money as she clearly has it. The cash card assuming it is real (highly it is real) has everything Yasu could financially need. The gold isn’t necessary when that cash card makes it extremely more convenient.
Assumption: When the riddle is solved, Yasu stops.

—> Why? there’s nothing stopping Yasu for going back on her word. In the first place why does she need to do this? If revenge or anything else is her motive then the riddle is irrelevant and it would only be interpreted as a way for to not let the world understand what just happened. It should be irrelevant that a total stranger solves the riddle or not, it should become relevant when solving the riddle leads to other inevitable events Yasu knows of. The epitaph should be relevant to her in some way, yet the red says it means nothing to Beatrice…

Assumption: Yasu wants to murder everyone.

——> Why? If that’s her motive for example revenge her actions would make more sense, yet it isn’t revenge. Blowing up the mansion is the quickest way. It makes no sense she puts herself in danger to personally carry out the epitaph therefore we come to the conclusion that the process of the epitpah is necessary for Yasu because it puts pressure on Battler to remember his sin. According to the games even when the riddle has been solved there hasn’t been any noticeable change in Shannon (EP5). Why?
Assumption: The epitaph is irrelevant.

According to the red nothing changes if the riddle is solved or not. What do we know about this riddle and what happens afterward? We know people get greedy and murder takes place from 5th-6th October in which there is someone who is responsible even if it isn’t Yasu. This means to that the situation is always the same no matter the outcome. When it isn’t solved Yasu goes on a rampage and kills everyone. When Yasu doesn’t act, there are others that take Beatrice’s place. Yasu could be among the victims of this new culprit whose motive is likely money / revenge. The game repeats.

There are possibilities one is that Shannon is fully aware of her multiple identities and is always in conflict of deciding what to do until October 4th comes. On that precise day Shannon changes to Beatrice and is forced to kill everyone. ?? Another is that Shannon is unaware of this herself and Beatrice’s personality takes over once Shannon “dies” as her conciseness / sense of self is lost completely. This might be related to Beatrice “fully” reviving. Shannon, the person we know as Shannon, is innocent because she is oblivious to this.

As for a motive. Shannon, Yasu, Beatrice have already gave up themselves to the fate in which a tragedy always occur. When Yasu doesn’t act there will be the siblings or somebody else that gets greedy and uses the Witch to kill everyone and get the money for themselves. As anyone can guess the plan and motives may change from person to person and from fragment to fragment. The bomb is there to erase all evidence and make it a cat box leading to why the games repeat over and over. Because no one is able to know the real truth behind the 1st tragedy.

From this the following is drawn. Yasu is forced to carry out this plan as a requirement. No, because it says that the epitaph is irrelevant to Beatrice. This is a pattern that she cannot escape from. Beatrice neither takes pleasure out of this nor gains anything out of it.  It means that Yasu doesn’t want October 6th to come. Why? Because the typhoon will go away. Because any witnesses or the other possible culprits will leave (assuming she isn’t the culprit on that game), and overall everyone who knows the truth. More importantly, because Battler will leave the island. The game was created to keep Battler in the cat box until he remembered. The cat box is factor in this equation that is mandatory. Why? To erase all evidence of what happened.

To start with a clean game board for the next games. We assume the main target has always been Battler as mentioned in EP4 and EP5. This is the part I don’t feel at all confident about but ties back to EP6 in a way that can’t be dismissed.  Battler’s whole forgiving attitude towards Beatrice makes more sense when we assume Beatrice was never guilty or wasn’t as guilty as we figure she was.

Ange and the readers are confused why Battler would act to forgiving towards someone who killed his whole family over and over. Normally a person would be angry but Battler goes as far as telling Beatrice that he should be the one apologizing to her. This meant that Battler did something horrible to Beatrice that led her to become this way. If Battler hadn’t done this wouldn’ve have happen. The tragedy happens because of Battler and Battler coming back. Seeing that Battler is responsible he feels guilty for the events. Does that justify Beatrice killing the family members?  I don’t suppose it ends there because it wouldn’t explain Battler protecting Beatrice that much even if she was only partially a victim. Then again I don’t consider Battler’s behavior ‘normal’  therefore I don’t expect his answer to be a completely a rational one.

The Case is the following –

when the gold is found the siblings or any other character commits a crime. When Beatrice gives up all hope in EP4 she purposely puts the game in hold so that nothing would be revealed. She still hides the identities of the culprits even if that wasn’t her intention. A theory is drawn from this is, that Yasu cannot stop the tragedy alone. Yasu is forced to blow up all evidence so Battler wouldn’t see the faces of the culprits. The reason why the game repeats over and over is because the ending is always a bad one. The tragedy even with or without Yasu/Beatrice doing anything always take place. This is a reality that is infinitely difficult to alter. Yasu is forced to blow up the mansion to reset the game board and try again – for someone to get that ‘good ending’.

The conflicting part is that they never leave the island (except in Ange’s future). They don’t leave the island even when Battler is Game Master which was a huge red flag. The result is the same – everyone dies. Not even Battler when he is GM can change this even after he promised “he’ll take Beatrice outside the game board with him”. Everything resets once again which creates the feeling that this was an illusion or was in the first place impossible. Yasu became Beatrice because of Battler. She then tried to get him to remember his sin. Beatrice looked for the one fragment in which a tragedy didn’t take place. Because it always happens, the games repeat over and over. The culprits vary but the result is always the same. They don’t leave the island because so far there hadn’t been a fragment in which a single tragedy doesn’t take place. Rokkenjima tragedy is the fate Yasu is in which makes her unable to create a good ending no matter how many times the wheel of fate pan.

Is that supposed to be relatively ‘satisfactory’ answer?

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15 Responses to Beatrice / Yasu : Why the Tragedy Occurs

  1. Still doesn’t really explain much. Why is it that by battler coming back did she commit the murders? Argh, it hurts my head.

    • keikakudoori says:

      Right. It doesn’t completely explain why it happens in the first place though likely we presume the reason it is of romantic nature. Rather it establishes why the tragedy repeats over and over and Yasu and the culprits’ motives as to why the games continue.

  2. Rob says:

    It might be important to notice that the last time Shannon met Battler he was a huge fan of mystery novels. The epitaph makes everything look like a “plotline murder”. It seems possible that basing her plot on the Battler she knew six years ago, Yasu expects something of the murders to put him in mind of the way mystery novels work.

    Despite coming up with clever answers for many of the closed rooms though, Battler never really starts treating what’s happening as a mystery story. In Episode 1, he doesn’t even realise it’s supposed to be a plotline murder until near the end when they read the epitaph in Kinzo’s office. He often acts as though he doesn’t understand mystery novel jargon that Beatrice brings up, even though he clearly should understand it. Everyone treats Erika with utter contempt when she tries to act as a mystery novel character.

    So.. my answer is that Yasu designed the murders to get a reaction from the Battler she knew six years ago. Battler complained to her back then about stories that neglect the heart, the motive of the killer. Yasu thinks that Battler will want to find out the motive of the killer, and that he’ll realise that the motive is her love for him, but when he’s placed in a real situation rather than a mystery novel, he just wants to work out who did it and stop them…

  3. Ilyaht says:

    If we establish that Yasu isn’t the criminal though (acting on the assumption that Battler would not have forgiven her if she was) that means there has to have been a different killer who was triggered by Battler’s return. The only person who really fits that criteria is George who clearly hates Battler for his relationship with Shannon.

    As for why Yasu stops when the Epitaph is solved, I think that the truly relevant part is the discovery of the bomb. It can’t be a coincidence that the bomb is located with the hidden gold.

  4. lol says:

    There is only one killer for all games :Yasu

    That is why at the end of Requiem, Clair’s story was about Yasu

    This is how probably things went:

    Yasu decides to permanently become Shannon (this is why she won the fight over Kanon and Beatrice in Dawn) and then Battler shows up just when she decides she was over him.

    Yasu then sees Rosa belittling Natsuhi and Rosa BEST MOM EVERing Maria and decides the adults are horrible people and must die (to protect the cousins from further mental damage…cough…Maria…

    And then Yasu’s accomplices (Kumasawa, Genji, and Nanjo) convinces her (yeah i think Yasu is a girl) to spare the remaining ones after she kills the first six.

    Yasu agrees only if they solve the epitaph on time.

    Her accomplices decides she is out of control and plans to kill her but lo and behold she figures out their plan and kills them too.

    Battler just can’t figure his sin so she gives up all hope and blows the island up

  5. AutumnWings says:

    I’m not entirely sure that’s how it happened.

    I believe that Battler’s return to the conference did cause Yasu’s inability to complete her soul, so she became desperate and used the Epitaph as a final attempt to get Battler’s attention and ultimately decide which personality would take over under the guise of Beatrice during the events. So now my point: that most possibly, the murders on Rokkenjima were an act to kill and protect Yasu.

    I’m betting off the bat that the Epitaph was solved by either one or the entire group of the siblings and the gold was found. The latter seems less likely because the only time the trials stopped early was in Bernkastel’s version of the truth in EP 7, however in EPs 1-3 the murders continued to the end (be it finished by Beatrice or Eva-Beatrice). So while the the trials still continued, somewhere around that time the reality of Yasu must have been figured out. Now we all know that each of the siblings (besides Eva) has a need for the money and Krauss would not want to lose his position as heir to the family, so killing Yasu would most likely not be given a second thought. By this time Battler must have figured out the truth about the Epitaph and Yasu, and along with the cousins, must have tried to protect her/him (this possibility could explain the existence of Will H. Wright, embodying the solving of the mystery and the protection of Yasu/Lion)

    I could see George and Jessica forgiving Yasu for not telling them the truth, and still carrying some love for her/him, decided to help. That could explain some of the fights scenes involving these two and the ending with Rosa and Maria in EP2
    -George vs. Gaap could have been in reality George vs. Eva. The battle with Gaap was mainly a fist fight, and George secretly resented his mother for pushing him too much to be a suitable successor than Jessica, but it didn’t end with George dying or Eva dying (Eva, Battler, and Ange were the last living family member). More or less, it could have ended with Eva accepting George.
    -Jessica vs. Ronove: I can’t explain this one, but I believe if she didn’t fight Kyrie as show in EP6 during the love trials, then most likely her father was her opponent.
    -Rosa and Maria: Remember that Rosa felt guilty about what happened with Kuwadorian Beatrice, so she could have attempted to protect Yasu from her own family. Although this implies that Rosa knows the truth about Yasu’s origin, how that could be possible I also don’t know.

    Black Battler (Battler’s self-criminalizing culprit theory from EP5) could be more about being involved than about the darker persona that’s portrayed in the Ougon Cross expansion. My belief is that “Black Battler” implies that Battler might have been responsible for some of the murders while attempting to protect Yasu. I don’t believe Battler hates his family enough to kill them in cold blood, but enough to choose Yasu over them. This could explain why Battler felt guilty about not contacting Ange and telling her the truth. If his culprit theory was real, than neither Yasu nor Eva would have had a chance of escaping the island alive (even is she did die by attempted suicide, don’t think that’s a good enough lie to cover Battler drowning Yasu).

    So it becomes a war between parents and love-stricken cousins.

    This is all I could come up with. Nothing big, just what made some sense for me.

  6. Kima says:

    1.) Isnt yasu the child of beatrice the 2nd and kinzo? or was it lion? (forgot)

    2.) So yasu was beatrice/shannon/konan this whole time?

    3.) Wut do u mean by “yasu blew up the island!” and yasu restarted the fate of october 4 so the ushiromiya family a good ending? Am i correct? Sorry for me curiosity! ;/

    • jeshuaqs says:

      1) Yes, Yasu/Yasuda is the child of Kuwadorian Beatrice/Beatrice Ushiromiya(the 2nd). Lion is an alternate Yasu that exist in an almost impossible chance that Natsuhi keeps and accepts the child, instead of pushing the baby and maid off the cliff.

      2) Yes, Beatrice, Shannon, and Kanon are all personalities developed by Yasu and portrayed by him/her during Yasu’s history on Rokkenjima. Each personality acts as an aspect Yasu wished to develop or show within her/his personality (Shannon being her first imaginary friend). The real kicker is that in a recent interview with Ryukishi-sama, he revealed that Shannon’s breast are fake, making the whole transformation between Shannon and Kanon easy and unidentifiable. Remember that most of the episodes show Beatrice barely appearing before the cousins, the siblings, and the older servants (although according to ep7, they most likely are aware of Yasu’s activities.

      3) Not truly restarted, but began the “roll of fate”. In other words, because Battler showed up on October 4th, Yasu was unable to decide whether to be with Jessica or George (Yasu will remain the personality of the winning love interest). Battler’s appearance messed Yasu up, and “awoked Beatrice”. “Beatrice” was then responsible on initiating the mysteries and ultimately “gambling” to see which of the cousins will remain. If Battler is left, than Beatrice shall be “revived” (in other words Beatrice will become the dominant personality)..

  7. Vaskerry says:

    I don’t think Yasu commited Murder.
    But because she had all the money, she had told the siblings to play along in her game and that she would give her money.

    We see this when the relatives of Kumasawa and Nanjo get debit cards with zillions of yen in them.
    (Ep.4)

    Yasu’s “fake-murder” game was then hi-jacked by Kyrie and Rudolf.
    Or if Eva or any of the siblings find the gold, they break free from the “fake-murder” as they don’t have to listen to Yasu anymore and do whatever they want.

    It is also stated that if Battler had appeared in 1985 or 1987 instead of 1986 the tragedy would have not occurred. Perhaps because in 1985 he would have appeared and Yasu wouldn’t have asked Kyrie/Rudolf to call for Battler, therefore unabling Kyrie/Rudolf to hi-jack Yasu’s game in 1986. If Battler doesn’t appear in 1986 and appears in 1987 , perhaps Yasu had already settled her heart with either Jessica or George.

    I really did enjoy Umineko, though I only was able to solve 60-70% of it.
    I did took a notice that Virgilia and Ronove were Kumasawa’s and Genji’s counterpart.
    But I forgot to note down that Kanon’s corpse mostly always disappears.

    And I think the greatest hint is Kanon’s death in Ep.1 , Since his death is the only one that reveals golden buttlerflies and the sound of the stakes of the purgatory. Thus it is an illusionary death.
    And represents Yasu’s internal conflict with Kanon and Beatrice personalities.

    God Umineko was splendid mystery. I feel bummer I wasn’t able to solve everything by the end.
    Especially since you can see how many hints are given. Did someone manage to solve everything before the end?

    • Dormin says:

      I actually believe that this is “about” what happened. As Umineko is about love, i hardly can think tragic Yasu as a killer and love as a thing that forces to kill. Somehow i feel that this is against the lesson of umineko.

      I believe s/he was strongly troubled by the fact that upon finding the hidden gold yasu became “head of the family”, and he just wants to get rid of the gold and the title. That is why he frames a twisted murder-game, possibly bribing people withe gold (we know at least Nanjo is bribable from episode 7) in order to put pressure for the family to solve epitah. I believe he just wanted to get away from island that he thought as a prison. Intention was never to kill anyone.

      Then someone, in chapter 2 probably rosa and chapter 3 eva got blinded by the gold and turned fake murders into a real scenario.

  8. Kima says:

    Thanks 4 the answers!

    is there a true identity of yasu yet???? or any information about her?

  9. Jon says:

    This page finally helped me understand everything. I was so confused but I get 80% of it now. Thank you.

  10. Kathrine says:

    When Yasu says in episode 7 that s/he’s the killer, what s/he could mean is that s/he thinks of it as her fault for some reason. Just because you’re not the one who pulls the trigger doesen’t mean that you’re not involved.

  11. Tsubaki says:

    Battler actually had another sin, other than the one against Shannon, one that’s talked about in the game quit a bit, and is in fact a central theme, but seems to be overlooked all the time.

  12. Victor N. says:

    I finally understand Beatrice’s “you are incompetent”
    The game board keeps repeating itself because piece Battler, of all the kakeras, fails to understand Yasu since the beginning, leading her/him to develop such mental issues.

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